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Re: 'Rationality' & 'Hard Work' are Racist?

Postby Pitch1 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:00 am

Not to take sides here BUT,
There can be no plan without the idea. It is a progression!
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Re: 'Rationality' & 'Hard Work' are Racist?

Postby Red Dave » Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:00 am

Pitch1 wrote:Not to take sides here BUT,
There can be no plan without the idea. It is a progression!



The idea has been around since at least the mid 1960's. We got Newsweek at my house growing up and I read it cover to cover every week. I remember this idea being discussed in it even back then. But there is still no serious, practical plan.
"Progression" hasn't happened.

Still no serious plan, still no way to finance it.
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Re: 'Rationality' & 'Hard Work' are Racist?

Postby Coffee » Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:30 am

What it comes down to is what kind of society do we want, what kind of USA do we want?
It took more than just engineers and plans to win World War II (maybe I should say fight World War II) and go to the moon. Engineers and plans were very important, but many others played vital roles. Some who played vital roles were recent immigrants and minorities. You all know about them and their contributions. You all know who worked on the railroads, too.
Maybe I'd say, no plan acceptable to both sides has yet come forward.
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Re: 'Rationality' & 'Hard Work' are Racist?

Postby Red Dave » Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:52 am

Coffee wrote:What it comes down to is what kind of society do we want, what kind of USA do we want?
It took more than just engineers and plans to win World War II (maybe I should say fight World War II) and go to the moon. Engineers and plans were very important, but many others played vital roles. Some who played vital roles were recent immigrants and minorities. You all know about them and their contributions. You all know who worked on the railroads, too.
Maybe I'd say, no plan acceptable to both sides has yet come forward.



If you bother to go back to the original post I made, you would see that I acknowledged that minorities knew how to work hard. It was the central premise of the post. And yes, I do know who built and worked on the railroads, I wonder if you do. Some of them were my ancestors who had recently arrived here.
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Re: 'Rationality' & 'Hard Work' are Racist?

Postby Coffee » Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:45 pm

Yes, I see what you mean, but then you seemed to be saying only engineers with plans could get anything done. Do you forget what you write? Your paragraph started, "No answers." If you read it again, you might see why it sounds like you meant only engineers with plans accomplish things.
Andrew Yang had something of a plan recently called a "Freedom Dividend" plan. $1,000 a month to every U.S. citizen over 18 years old, no test or work requirement. It might be the writing on the wall- I don't know.
Yes, I do know who built and worked on the railroads. But I am very far from a know-it-all.
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Re: 'Rationality' & 'Hard Work' are Racist?

Postby Red Dave » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:04 pm

Coffee wrote:Yes, I see what you mean, but then you seemed to be saying only engineers with plans could get anything done. Do you forget what you write? Your paragraph started, "No answers." If you read it again, you might see why it sounds like you meant only engineers with plans accomplish things.
Andrew Yang had something of a plan recently called a "Freedom Dividend" plan. $1,000 a month to every U.S. citizen over 18 years old, no test or work requirement. It might be the writing on the wall- I don't know.
Yes, I do know who built and worked on the railroads. But I am very far from a know-it-all.



Still no answers. You cited several engineering accomplishments as proof that things can get done. I just continued with the theme, or did you forget what you wrote?

Andrew Yang? He has no more of a plan than you or Elizabeth Warren do. Not even a clue. He can write that on all the walls he wants to. We can't afford the welfare that is currently being paid out, yet you and Wang want to spend more. That kind of plan would only ruin the personal initiative of even more young people than those millions who already have none. You want to institutionalize laziness even further.

A serious question for you: Where and when has socialism ever worked, anywhere on earth?
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Re: 'Rationality' & 'Hard Work' are Racist?

Postby Coffee » Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:00 pm

Red Dave, I'm thinking that if you don't see or appreciate what I have been saying, you're never going to. That's all I have to say. What point would there be in continuing?
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Re: 'Rationality' & 'Hard Work' are Racist?

Postby Red Dave » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:30 am

Coffee wrote:Red Dave, I'm thinking that if you don't see or appreciate what I have been saying, you're never going to. That's all I have to say. What point would there be in continuing?


I agree, no point at all. Whenever I ask a simple, direct question, you change the subject.

It's the classic deflection tactic. Used by politicians everywhere.
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Re: 'Rationality' & 'Hard Work' are Racist?

Postby mowmud » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:18 pm

I generally shy away from politics.

The only thing I hold true to is the fact that I can survive without a politician, but they cannot survive without me.

Straighten out your panties boys... and put on the big boy pants.

There are a lot of things in this life we don't agree with. As long as it doesn't break the law, or more importantly, does not hurt other people, here in America, we have the right to pursue happiness.

One persons happiness may be different than yours. A little respect goes along way.
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